(Part 3 of 4)

We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.

We’re diving into another 4 part series. We’re diving into part 3 here, following with:

1. What your toxin bucket is and how it effects your daily life
2. How to test for toxins in the body
3. Foods that assist in detoxification (this video)
4. Supplementation/lifestyle/nutrition support for adrenals

Feel free to watch the video, or read our transcript below.


Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:00):
Hey everybody. It’s doctor Oubre and …

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:02):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:03):
Also known as Oubree.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:05):
We’re so cheesy.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:07):
We’re talking about detox this month. This next topic, or next version of detox that we’re going to be talking is mostly going to be the Aubree show because we’re going to be talking about foods that assist in detoxification. We’ve talked in the last couple of videos a lot about which foods to avoid retoxification. And so we just want to remind people that you cannot expect to detoxify if you are retoxifying, and I do the alcohol maneuver, because if you’re constantly retoxing, it’s hard to detox. We don’t just mean alcohol, mean it with everything, whether it be exposed to molds or drinking Roundup or whatever it may be.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:44):
In this specific video, we’re going to be talking about foods to detoxify, but it’s important to remember the other stuff from the first two videos, must stop the retox before you can detox. So with that being said, Aubree, tell us all about foods for detoxification.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:57):
Okay. So first thing that you do need to actually do, you need to do do, whatever-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:58):
Yeah, the first thing?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:05):
The first thing, is you just need to remove some of those toxic foods as well. So before we talk about any of these foods, just keep in mind you need to take out the fried food.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:15):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:15):
Pop-tarts, processed foods, think of whole unadulterated foods, fresh fruit and vegetables, clean animal protein, healthy fats, avocados, clean oils. There’s a bunch that goes into it. But what I want you to do is actually try to figure out, okay, when… well, let me rewind that. When you start eating healthier, you’re going to start to detox regardless, without doing any supplementation, without doing anything. Because your body’s really smart. We keep saying this, but we really do mean it. The second you start eating better, the second your body goes, “Oh, there’s less circulating toxins. I’m going to start pushing some stuff out from stores.” And you start to naturally-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:52):
And it does that little dance, too.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:52):
It does. It does that. You start to naturally detox itself. So when people say, “I’m not doing anything, I just changed my diet.” You’re doing so much just by changing your food. Just by eliminating the toxic foods, you are changing the way that your body is able to detox. That’s why people sometimes, even the practice, they just change nutrition. They’re like, “We’re out.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:11):
Peace. No, we got more to do.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:11):
And I’m like, “No, wait, wait, hold on. You have 10,000 micro toxins in you. You got to come back.” But that’s why. So the first thing is to get those circulating toxins out of your body.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:22):
Second thing that you want to do is that, when do you actually start processing those toxins, so as you eliminate you process, your liver’s affected most of your… Your kidneys, obviously too, your lymphatic system, but mostly we focus-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:32):
Your everything system.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:32):
Everything. But we mostly focus on the liver itself. And so instead of just taking supplements, which we’ll talk about next, you can actually take foods that have natural detox and antioxidant components to them to help your body do that. Two of the biggest things that we really do like in foods, or two detox components are alpha lipoic acid and glutathione. A lot of people see these in supplements, but there’s actually a lot of foods that have these in here. So as you’re naturally getting healthier, you can eat different foods to help support phase one and phase two of your liver. Both different phases, help with your body, removing toxins and processing them and getting them out of the body efficiently. So anything to add?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:11):
Well, I just want to re-emphasize what Aubree’s already saying, is that we do use a lot of supplements for detoxification. We do push for those. We’ll talk about that in the next video, but we always overemphasize with our patients, you can’t put garbage in and take supplements and think that’s going to wash the slate clean. You’ve got to put good nutrition. That’s 80% of the battle. Good nutrition first, supplements are meant to supplement a good diet, not replace a bad diet.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:34):
Because like I said, if you’re eating constantly toxic food, your body is not going to want to push out… Even if you’re taking supplements, it can try to push out those toxins from stores, but your body has a really smart way of blocking that. It knows that, hey, there’s processed glyphosate and other of the 30 different forms of it in my body right now. I don’t really want to push everything out from stores. So this is necessary for when you are doing detox, when you are doing supplements to help your body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:00):
And the nutrition part is also the co-factors needed in detoxification. So there are supplements that can speed up a process, but that process requires B12 or requires folate and requires a whole lot more than that.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:11):
Magnesium, zinc.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:12):
Those are just the obvious ones, right? So they get burnt in the process. The supplement can only do so much if you run out of the necessary components from food and then the supplement just doesn’t do its job.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:22):
Right. So this is crucial, but a lot of people go, “Okay, well, what foods are detoxifying?” Ideally, if you’re eating whole unadulterated foods and fresh fruits and veggies, those are naturally detoxifying. But I put together a little list of which ones are going to be the most important. So we will attach this, somehow, for people to see. So you’re going to get this.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:43):
But what I wanted to kind of talk about is ideally what you want to aim for is nine cups of leafy vegetables or leafy greens and vegetables.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:51):
Nine cups.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:52):
That’s a lot.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:52):
Nine cups.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:53):
That’s whole cups though, so it’s not just like blending up kale and putting it in a cup. That’s really difficult.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:59):
Oh yeah, because that’d be 40 Million cups.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:00):
Yeah, exactly. So it’s nine full cups. If you think of a big salad though, there’s probably four cups of veggies in there. Think of a handful as a cup, too, and put three handfuls in there, fourth one is some veggies on top. There’s four cups already. So our goal is nine, at minimum six cups. If you can’t make nine because you eat twice a day, I understand that. But the less you eat, the more nutrient dense you need to be. So if you’re eating one time a day, you better get 12 different veggies in there, some clean animal protein and fat, maybe a little banana. I don’t know, whatever.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:28):
Anyways. And they can be in raw form or cooked form regardless, just measure the nine cups.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:34):
And then obviously if you cook them and they reduce, then measure them as the uncooked, like spinach. We’ve all cooked a box of spinach and been like, “Really? That was like one bite”

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:44):
Yeah. And that’s a good way to do it, too. When you can cook them down, they’re easier to eat. They shrink in size.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:50):
That’s what I do.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:50):
Yeah. I know. [Inaudible 00:05:51]. Nevermind.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:52):
I’ll cook anything to shrink it down.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:54):
I know. Salad greens one time, “I put cooked salad greens on my taco.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:59):
That’s right.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:59):
I was like, “Oh, that’s disgusting.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:00):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:00):
Okay perfect. Some of the things that we want to focus on are foods and support for the liver and the brain. So like I said before, we’re focusing on ALA and glutathione. They are master anti-oxidants. They protect against free radicals. ALA actually regenerates and recycles glutathione.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:15):
Perfect. One other thing too, is that it can increase the cellular uptake of cystine, which is a limiting factor for glutathione. So this just helps another cofactor, another processing agent of this to help get it out of your body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:26):
Perfect example of how food is going to feed your detoxification pathways.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:29):
Yes. The first things that are really in support of ALA and glutathione, organ meats are one of the biggest ones. So this is one of the things that I do say that people can take in a supplement form. Ancestral Supplements is really good at doing this. Cook your organ meats, blend them in, put them in with your meatloaf or take them in a pill. I don’t like organ meats to eat them, so I’m not going to be that nutritionist who’s like, “Everyone can eat organ meats.” Because no one wants to eat a sauteed liver, some people do-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:55):
Yeah, if you can do it and you like it, by all means, it’s wonderful.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:58):
Sure. Then good, but I’m not going to set that expectation for you that’s very unattainable. So if it’s capsulated, that’s fine. Broccoli, tomatoes, cabbage, spinach. A lot of these that contain also sulforaphane, which is very good.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:14):
A Superpower food.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:14):
Super power. Glutathione, avocado, asparagus, walnuts, spinach, and okra. Avocado has the highest amount of glutathione. So for everyone right now who’s on the avocado trend, which has been for five years, which I’m very thankful for, eat your avocados. Those are going to help support ALA and glutathione production, but now we want to see how can we help modulate the liver process these toxins and eliminate. Dandelions, the greens or the dandelion root tea.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:42):
[Inaudible 00:07:42].

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:42):
I know. They have Dandy Blend, which is a coffee substitute. Doesn’t taste anything like coffee, but sometimes you can blend it with coffee. Dandelion greens are very, very bitter.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:50):
Very bitter.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:52):
But the more bitter it is, the better it is.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:54):
You got to cook that stuff with bacon.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:55):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:56):
But it’s going to make your bacon taste bad, so you may not want to do that either.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:00):
Yeah, I know. Definitely don’t want to do that either. The tea is an easy way to do it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:02):
The capsule is an easy way to do it, also.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:03):
The capsule is an easy way. Remember, you can always do capsules, too.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:07):
Beets. Beets actually roasted or whole or even pickled are really good. You can roast beets and they taste like candy.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:14):
They do.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:14):
Those are one of my favorite.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:15):
I love beets.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:15):
Broccoli and broccoli spouts, this is where I was talking about sulforaphane. It’s a potent-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:19):
A potentent. It’s so potent it’s potentent.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:23):
We’ve had a lot of caffeine this morning. A phase two detox. It combats oxidative stress. And then broccoli, brussels sprouts and cabbage are some of the most highest components of sulforaphane.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:35):
They are potentent in sulforaphane.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:39):
I’m a nutritionist. I don’t speak very well, let’s be honest. Garlic as always, it’s really antimicrobial. Turmeric, glycine, so glycine is an amino acid, but you can find it in pasteurized eggs or animal protein. This is where quality matters. I don’t care who you are, but the quality matters.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:55):
Real quick I wanted to point out too, that there’s superfoods out there as far as like, “Oh my gosh, garlic is a superfood and all this.” It’s important to remember that you have to balance superfoods with how much of that quantity you’re going to eat. So turmeric is a superfood, but in my opinion is not very tasty, so I’m not going to eat a lot of it, but I will eat a lot of broccoli. So even if broccoli is a little bit lesser of a superfood, although it is a superfood, I guess that’s a bad example, you would eat a lot more broccoli than you would the turmeric root. So another example is cinnamon is really, really high in antioxidants, but that’s something you’re just going to sprinkle on food, not really eat cinnamon sticks raw. So it’s important to balance that, what is a superfood and how much of that are you going to eat?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:37):
Yeah. Sprinkle it in. Just a little extra fentanyl can kill you, right, a little extra cinnamon can help your blood sugar and help you feel better.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:45):
Okay, that’s a comparison.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:46):
There’s potency… Obviously pharmaceutical.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:48):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:48):
There’s potency and there’s efficacy of things and there’s a symbiotic relationship of different foods that we can’t quantify. So if you put a little bit of garlic in there, but you have other alliums like onions and sauteed even greens with a little bit of pasture-raised pork, all those different components are going to help each other be absorbed and maximized in your body. So you don’t need to eat 10 cloves of garlic a day, just put a fresh garlic clove in your food and they’ll do its job. So that was a really good point. So when we talk about veggies, too, get a smattering of them, but don’t take one of these.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:21):
Don’t make a garlic salad.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:21):
The biggest thing I hate… please don’t make… it’s easy if you eat it with two apple slices, if you just wanted to eat it, but it’s weird.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:29):
No, no. Just cook it.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:30):
Yeah. The biggest thing I want to kind of harp on, which is my pet peeve, I do not like, I was going to say hate, when people say, “Eat this one superfood for your brain. Eat this one superfood to lose weight.” It doesn’t work like that. You have to eat these all together with a symbiotic relationship for them to maximize the potency and efficacy of it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:51):
And rotate.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:52):
Yes. Rotate, don’t just eat garlic every day. I mean you can, but anyways. I digress. Artichokes are wonderful-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:00):
We said this video was going to be shorter.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:01):
I know.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:02):
We’re already at 10 minutes.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:02):
So I’ll just kind of talk… okay. Some artichokes stimulates bile flow. Berries, which is really good, helps in metabolizing pro carcinogens. Also your liver processes toxins, but it also has the job of making toxic components less toxic in the body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:16):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:17):
Okay. Very simple way of putting it. So then I break it down into phase one and phase two. You’re looking at B vitamins. A lot of these B vitamins and magnesium, milk thistle even, well, that’s mostly in supplement, but you can find it in some foods, vitamin E, zinc, NAC, you’ll see these in supplements, but they’re in foods that we eat every single day of our life. Again, quality matters. But you’re looking at asparagus and mustard greens and almond and pasture raised eggs, sunflower seeds, which I already said that, salmon. I want you to take this list and see how many foods you’re eating of this a day and which ones you can incorporate. If you’re having a salad every day, be like, “Yeah, I can add some wild caught salmon in there. Sure.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:56):
Another thing you can do if you’re going to take the supplement, although we’ll talk about that in, I guess in the next video, is you don’t need to take all of the supplements. You have a plan and say, “I’m going to take these three or four that have a symbiotic relationship.” And then trade and take three or four different ones. But don’t feel like you have to take that whole list of supplements.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:14):
Yeah. Same with foods, just do what you can. Again, very repetitive, but B vitamins are one of the most important components of detox. They impact energy levels, brain function, cellular metabolism, anything really that you can think of in this process.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:29):
We kind of call them kamikaze. They’re burned and used and then they’re gone. So you need to constantly replace them.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:34):
Yeah. That’s a good way of putting it. Beet greens, cabbage, spinach, see, you see a lot of repetitive, wild caught sustainable fish, pasture-raised organic eggs and then, of course, polyphenols to help with the brain and oxidative stress. So there you go.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:47):
What are polyphenols? Where do people find polyphenols?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:51):
Fruits and veggies.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:52):
Colorful ones, right?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:52):
Colorful ones. Every different color of each different fruit and veggies have different phytonutrients, different polyphenols, different antioxidant components. I actually have a list of all the different colors and what they have in there too, which again is part of our course. Things that you all eat on the daily basis, coffee.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:08):
Yes. Coffee, superfood.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:09):
I know one person who eats sardines for breakfast, two people actually.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:13):
That’s nasty.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:13):
I know. John John.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:14):
But good for you.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:16):
Coconut, cacao chocolate, think of really dark, rich unadulterated cacao with no cane sugar.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:22):
Not the Snickers. That’s not a detox.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:29):
That doesn’t count. Basically a bunch of different veggies and fruits and animal proteins can help you detoxify. We’ll put this list up here, but just do the best that you can, to be honest.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:37):
Yes. Keep it simple. And of course we’ve put together our course. Go to our website to sign up for the course on detoxification, but mainly just nutrition. Nutrition is such a huge part of everything that we do, or everything you need to do that if you just even just do the nutrition course, you’ve already made plenty progress towards a future healthier you.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:58):
Subscribe to our channel, like our videos, share it with your friends and let’s help detoxify everyone in this industrialized society.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:05):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:05):
And we’ll see you for our next video on supplements to detoxify, but notice that’s the last one. Not retoxing and food are way more important than supplements, so that should be a shorter video. We’ll see you next time.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:15):
Cool. Bye guys.

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(Part 2 of 4)

We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.

We’re diving into another 4 part series. We’re diving into part 2 here, following with:

1. What your toxin bucket is and how it effects your daily life
2. How to test for toxins in the body (this video)
3. Foods that assist in detoxification
4. Supplementation/lifestyle/nutrition support for adrenals

Feel free to watch the video, or read our transcript below.


Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:44):
It’s Dr. Oubre and Aubree.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:49):
Hey guys.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:50):
We are or as we’ve been recently.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:53):
We’re Oubree.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:53):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:53):
I almost said that. Thanks, Nicole.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:57):
So, this month we’re talking about toxins and how they affect you and all that. And so specifically in this video, we want to talk about how to test for toxins. Because what’s fascinating about where we’re at in functional medicine now is that you can literally test for all the things that functional medicine providers have been saying for years, as far as candida and mercury and toxic overload and all these things. Now we’re at the point where if you think you have something, you can literally be tested for that something and prove, whether it’s there or not. Now every test has its limitations. So it’s not always perfect. But we want to talk about the most common toxins and how you can actually test for them to see if you have a problem. But there are specific ways to test for them in order to find it. And we want to help you and your provider dodge some of those pitfalls.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:39):
And we luckily have decided to take this on ourselves for the past couple of years in fail at testing properly and try new methods, right?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:48):
Yes. Learn by failing.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:48):
And the most efficient way in the practice.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:50):
So, we know how not to do it.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:52):
Exactly, but actually we know how to do it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:56):
Or at least we fake it on TV.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:57):
There we go.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:57):
So just to recap, we kind of said it in the last video, as far as how to avoid toxins and what those toxins are. We like to boil toxins down to four individual categories. They’re fairly broad categories, but that’s the basic. So the first one is biological toxins. We cannot emphasize this one enough, because this is the one that we actually can’t test for directly. You cannot see biological toxins. There’s no test for it. What you can test force the presence of bad bacteria and fungus and candida and mold and all those things. So biological toxins, we like to consider any pathogen that’s in the gut, making LPS are biological toxins there. You can actually test for LPS.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:34):
Yeah, you can.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:34):
Yes, but also mycoplasma in the lungs. Think about mold and biological things that can survive in the sinuses, maracanas for all of those things.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (02:43):
Maracanas, candida.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:43):
Yes. So biological toxins, those are hard to test for it, but we’ll get there. That’s the first category. Number two is mold. So mold toxins specifically. So mold is a living growing organism, just like a chemical plant, well, it’s not living growing. But a chemical plant makes chemicals. You don’t have chemical plant inside you, you have chemicals inside of you. So you can grow mold inside of you. And you can harbor mold toxins for decades. We’ve proven that decades that you can hold these mold toxins, even if you’re not still living in the moldy environment and/or if mold is growing inside you. So mold toxins is technically a biological toxin, but it’s so problematic and difficult that we put it in its own category.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:27):
Yeah, because those toxins to, I guess we’ll dive into it later.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:30):
Okay. Number three. Category is environmental chemicals. We talk about the chemical plant. We talked about in the last video beauty products and non-organic foods and roundup, and then clean air, clean food, all that, all that jazz, right? So environmental chemicals are kind of anything and everything. And then number four is heavy metals, which is different than chemicals. Although heavy metals are often in the same things you would get exposed to in the environmental chemicals. But metals are particular problems because just like mold, they have a particular way to be detoxified.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:59):
So one way to think about it is heavy metals have to be chelated and now there’s a specific removal process for heavy metals. I do not believe that heavy metals should be lumped into detox. They’re a special way to be removed. You can’t just eat cilantro and get rid of metals no matter what you’ve been told. All other chemicals, biological toxins, mold toxins, they all come out through our generic human detoxification pathways. So as long as you’re working on those, and you’re not ritoxin as we talked about the first video, then you will be detoxifying, biological mold and chemicals, but you cannot detoxify metals. Those os be chelated and removed. So that’s the basic categories of. You’re dying to say something.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:41):
No, no, I’m not. You’re good, you’re good. No, I’m really not.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:44):
So those are the four categories of toxins. So now we’re going to talk about testing for those toxins.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:50):
You go, start.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:50):
Well, I thought you wanted to say something.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:52):
No, no. There’s a lot. This is good.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:53):
Okay. And we’ll start off with, how do we test for biological toxins? Round one.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:57):
Biological toxins.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:57):
Ready, go.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:59):
The first two tests that we do commonly in the practice. First one is obviously a stool study. You’ll see about-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:05):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:05):
That’s right. Obviously.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:07):
Because just look at our front door and you know we collect poo.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:08):
Obviously. That’s disgusting.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:11):
We don’t actually collect it.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:13):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:14):
You collect. We just give you the box.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:14):
We do.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:15):
You do it at home.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:15):
I know.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:16):
Unless you’re an employee. Then some people collect it here and that’s disgusting.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:19):
It was very easy, okay?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:22):
I wasn’t going to say any names.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:22):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:22):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:27):
First one we do is a stool study. We’re not the biggest fan of things like a GI map, or I can’t even think of the other ones because I just don’t care about them.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:34):
CSA and yeah. We don’t need to disparage. Our favorite one is the GI Effects from Genova.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:39):
Sorry, yes. GI Effects from Genova. It’s wonderful test for yeast overgrowth, bacterial overgrowth, digestive components, markers of IBD like calprotectin, secretary IGA for inflammation, eosinophil protein X for food allergies and parasites potentially. Gives a full kind view of your microbiome, which is my favorite part of it as well. And it gives you enough. It gives you enough to look at and it’s very comprehensive.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:06):
Unfortunately, it’s not direct testing for biological toxins. That’s still one area of functional medicine that we’re lacking in. You can task for LPS. It’s only one I can really think of and C. diff toxin. That’s an obvious one.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:16):
Yeah. Yeah. You can test for LPS and then your type of intestinal permeability. So we can kind of tell you what type of biological toxin is perpetuating intestinal permeability. No, not what types, sorry, how they’re perpetuating intestinal permeability. But we know that these biological kind of pathogens, they produce toxins. We just can’t necessarily measure that. But the mere presence of them in your gut is a measure of disease and toxin load.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:42):
And they can measure them in a research setting. It’s just not commercially available to something we can do in the practice per se. Another interesting thing is that, although we’re not measuring biological toxins directly, we just pretty much assume that if you have a candida overgrowth or if you had poor digestion, or if you have bowel inflammation, we’re just going to assume that there’s biological toxins there. Because as more and more research comes out, they’re even showing that beneficial probiotics in the presence of a bad bacteria actually can make bacterial toxins of biological toxins.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:11):
And so real briefly, we’ve mentioned this LPS and you don’t need to know all the details of LPS, but LPS is basically on the inside of bacteria, bad ones, per se. They’re inflammatory to the human body. LPS is inflammatory to the human body. So if you have a lot of the LPS in your bloodstream, it’s literally triggering your inflammatory pathways. If you inject someone with LPS, you basically put them into sepsis and it’s very miserable and we don’t do that. But if you did do that. So that’s just one of the ways to measure biological toxins, that you can think you’re buying organic foods and doing the right thing. But if you’re not treating the LPS in your bowels, you might as well not buy it. Anyway, that didn’t go according to plan. So one of the tests we can look for the idea that there’s biological toxins is the stool study. What’s the other test we do it for?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:57):
Organic acids tests and that’s metabolites of these organisms themselves. So I like the organic acids test because we kind of liked to do them side by side. If you’re willing to do a stool study, in organic, Jesus, acids test.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:09):
Dig that, he does need help.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:10):
It does. Then you can see the presence of the living organism from the live growing inside the stool, but as well as the metabolites they produce and the organic acids test. And the really cool thing about that too, is candida is very, very hard to grow in the stool, outside the body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:24):
Yes, it’s very possible. If it grows in the stool, you really have a candida problem.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:28):
And the one thing a stool study doesn’t check is mold overgrowth.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:31):
Yeah. There’s no mold overgrowth study.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:32):
So the organic acid test at least can go, “At least here’s the presence.” Whether it fits in your gut or your sinuses or your respiratory tract, these organisms like yeast and fungus and mold, and some bacteria are producing these metabolites. So then those metabolites are only present if those organisms are present. So the metabolite necessarily isn’t the toxin, but they kind of go hand in hand.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:54):
And any doctor can order these tests. These are not anything special. They just have to contact the lab, open an account, and then they can order it. Some of them are covered by insurance, semi covered by insurance.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:04):
Great pick.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:04):
GI Effects is semi insurance-based. And then we use Great Plains Labs for their organic acids tests. There’s a Genova version of the organic acids test called the Nutri Valve. It’s not as good as the GPL version, but yeah, the GPL version is cash based.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:20):
Yeah. And I went through the organic acid test too, because it will give you markers of glutosiome depletion and your toxic burden, how your ketone and fatty acid oxidation is being affected, how your neurotransmitters are being effected.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:32):
Mitochondrial function.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:33):
Yeah, mitochondrial function.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:34):
It’s just mattering of stuff.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:35):
Yeah. But those are all affected by toxins. So if you see all of them out of markers or out of range, you have toxins affecting your body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:42):
Notice she used the word toxins generically, because when your mitochondria are broken and your detox pathways are bogged down, it does not tell us what’s in your toxin bucket. All it says is the toxin bucket is full and it’s affecting your biochemistry. So that’s when we go down to the functional medicine of testing and treating one by one. Always starting with the gut.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:58):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:58):
And then going to the other four. So those are the two tests we mainly do for biological toxins. And then we move on to mold. So I’m going to say this again. I said it earlier, but there are two problems with mold. There’s lots of problems with mold. But there’s two things with mold. So mold is a living growing organism. And while it’s living and growing, it’s also making mold toxins. So I won’t wax on. The mold, the living growing organism needs to be killed. The mold toxins is not living growing, it needs to be detoxified. So whenever someone I know you’ve got a lot to say, hold on.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:36):
No yeah, sorry.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:37):
Whenever you’re treating someone from mold, or if you’re worried, you have mold, the first step is to get out of the mold because you can’t kill it if you’re living in it or breathing it constantly or working in it. Then number two is you have to kill it in your living body, not killing you, kill it in your living body. Then the third step is you can detoxify it. You can’t do that backwards. You can only get out, then kill it, then detoxify it. You cannot detoxify while you’re living in it. You can try. What did you want to say?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:07):
Oh, well.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:07):
Your turn.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:08):
To piggyback off of that, the kind of insidious thing about mold is that if you kill the live living organism.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:16):
Ooh, insidious, good word.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:17):
You are not done.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:18):
You ain’t done.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:19):
At all, because you not only had those kinds of toxins that the live living were producing, but then you have to think of the exposure. Now, they’re fat and water soluble. So they can be in your brain anywhere, liver, your fat cells, you still have to get rid of those toxins. So if you lived in a moldy house five years ago, but you did all the gut work to clear it. And you’re like, “Great. My gut’s clean. I have a great organic acids test. My stool study is good to go.” But you didn’t get the mold toxins or mycotoxins out of yourselves or fat cells or brain wherever, they’re still inside you.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:50):
And so I like how you said that you have to get out of the source, you have to kill it first. And remember don’t forget what the sinuses or the respiratory tract, because mold likes to kind of make a home there because you’ve breathed it in. And then you can go through and finally go through and get the toxins out. Do not make the mistake. I can’t tell you how many people come in here. And they’re like, “Oh, I can’t wait.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:11):
We know who you are.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:12):
Yeah. “I’m going to do the detox infusions, but I haven’t killed off the mold in my gut yet.” And I’m like, “You can’t push those toxins out yet. You’re going to over-tox and you’re re toxify and you’re going to make your body worse.” And mold loves to start a biological warfare. The second you try to kill it, it produces more and more and more. So you have to kind of reduce that burden. So I guess on that note too, instead of trying to push the toxins out of story, you do have to sometimes reduce the toxic burden that’s circulating in your bloodstream before you kill off as well, depending how moldy you are.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:41):
Yeah, that’s true.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:43):
Because I guess you had the good metaphor about the hoarder in the house. I was kind of thinking about like in a middle school with a fire alarm. So you have all the kids in the classroom and they’re all-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:51):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:52):
Yeah. You have all these kids in the classroom, but then you have a lot of kids in the hallway. Then you pulled the fire alarm and you go into the classroom and you go, “Guys, get out.” Now you have all these kids storming the hallway with all these other kids in there. It’s pure chaos. That’s what happens when you’re trying to push mold toxins out before you actually treat it or before you kill it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:09):
I like that metaphor.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:10):
Yeah. That’s happens when you try to kill mold without removing the circulate in burden. But what you should do is go, “Hey, kids in the hallway, let’s get out first.” Those are your circulating toxins in your bloodstream. Then you can go and pull the kids from the classroom and in the hallway, that’s in your gut that you have to kill.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:25):
I feel like if you added a herd of cats into that metaphor.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:27):
That would have been really good.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:27):
It would be even better. Pull the fire alarm. Watch the cats and the children.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:32):
One crazy teacher’s like, “I got this.” Just lifts up a door. Just cats everywhere.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:35):
Right, that metaphor went as expected.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:43):
But that’s one thing with mold that at least, because they will produce toxins as being killed off. So sometimes you just got to do some binding work and glynothion and things like that.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:53):
So, we got a little off track with mold there. So then the question goes, how do we test for the mold in micro toxins?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:59):
Right? So one of the biggest things is that people make mistakes, they do an unprovoked test. Remember our body is very, very smart and likes to store these toxins wherever, whether, if it’s your hips, your eyeballs, or your brain, you never know. So what happens is that the body wants to keep you safe. So it’s not going to be necessarily urinating out the toxins for you to measure. You have to push them out of stores. So if we were to do, it’s called the mycotoxin test by Great Plains Lab. We’ve seen a night and day difference. If you do an unprovoked test and bring it to us, we literally consider it no null and void. Because sometimes your detox pathways, aren’t open, your gut isn’t fixed yet. And your body just isn’t ready to dump it out there because there’s too many other circulating toxins as well.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:41):
Let me pause you. So whenever we’re testing these detox for these toxins, it’s important to remember that we’re not testing what’s inside of you. We’re testing what’s coming out. We cannot see what’s inside without like taking a fat sample and sending it to a lab and no one can do that anyway. But that would be the only way to see what’s actually inside of you. So the only way we can infer what’s inside of you is to see what’s coming out. So we add these provoking agents to intentionally push extra stuff out, to give us an idea of what’s inside and what might be hiding inside.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:13):
And the interesting part about it that we really love too, is once we find the original bulk of like say mycotoxins in your body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:20):
So mycotoxins is a fancy word for mold toxins.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:22):
Yes, mycotoxin.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:24):
Myco, mold, toxin, toxins. Mold toxins, mycotoxins.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:25):
So if we see that you are urinating out mycotoxins and we start you on treatment, what we commonly see is when we retest again, you’re going to see more coming out. And this is good it kind of proves our point of that those toxins are in stores and your body is finally pushing them out for us to measure. So you will see that big kind of bell curve of that.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:46):
Yes. So what’s coming out is both a sign of what’s actually inside of you, but also a sign of how quickly it’s coming out of you. So if your mold toxin levels go up, it either means you have an ongoing worsening exposure, or it means that we’re getting it out of you faster and faster and faster. So what Aubree is suggesting is in the beginning, your mold toxins are here, which are not good. Then they get worse and then they get better. And as they’re getting better, then we know we’re getting closer to the finish line. And it can take months to years. It can literally take months to years, depending on how bad your exposure was.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:16):
And I’ve seen side-by-side tests that someone who had an organic acids test with some of the worst mold overgrowth I’ve seen. You know who you are. And then the mycotox was completely negative. And that’s literally impossible if you have mold growing in your system, but that just proved this body isn’t ready yet. It was not ready to purge the toxins. And the body was smart and it knew, “Hey, you can’t handle this load right now.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:37):
So Aubree’s just hitting at something that we missed. So there’s go backwards. There’s mold, living, growing organism. There’s mold toxin. That’s the chemical. So you need to test for both because if you have either, then you have both. And so the living growing organism, we use the organic acid test from Great Plains Labs are really kind of the only one that has living growing mold markers on it. And so those markers are what, two, four, five, six, and nine, I believe. You have your report they’re numbered, two, four, five, six and nine. Now they’re listed in orange letters, like aspergillus and fusarium, those are the mold markers. But we do not have enough mold markers. There are many more molds in this world than two molds, aspergillus and fusarium. But those are the only two living growing mold markers we have. But suffice to say that if you’re urinating out a bunch of mold toxins, then we assume something was living in you at one time. And so we always treat to kill before we treat to detoxify in these patients. We always treat them for mold.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:30):
Okay. So just to remind you, there’s two tests for the biological. That’s the stool study and organic acids tests. There’s two tests for the mold. There’s the organic acids test and the mycotoxin test. Both of those are frozen urine samples. For any toxin tests, not the stool, not the organic acids. For any toxin tests you have to do a provoking.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:47):
You have to.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:47):
And so our provoking is we do a 500 milligrams of glutathione twice a day. So a total of a 1000 milligrams of glutathione. We have a very specific glutathione product that we like. We don’t trust many of the other ones.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:58):
We don’t.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:58):
We have issues, we’re biased. And we’re open and honest about why we’re biased because we’ve seen it work. And we just don’t want to try any others because we know it works. So you take two of those pills in the morning, two in the evening. There were other ways to do provocations and there’s even some controversy out there as far as whether we should be doing provoking or not. And I don’t care what they say because we had seen it clinically. This is what we do and it works. We provoke everyone. If it’s unprovoked and your levels are normal, that doesn’t mean anything to us.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:24):
You’ve just wasting money on a test.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (18:25):
Yes. And we do that as far. We do the glutathione 1000 milligrams a day for seven full days before you urinate in the cup. I’ve also heard that you can do sauna based provocations, where you do the sauna for 30 minutes and then you pee in the cup. But we’ve never experimented with that because we’ve had such good success with glutathione. We used to do the IV provocation, but we found that the pills were actually the more predictable way to get the toxin results and doing the infusion, which made a surge. And if you miss the surge, the test looks fine. Anyway, moving on. So mold toxin testing, number three is we said this video was going to be shorter.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (18:58):
But it’s okay. That’s good. The environmental toxic chemicals.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:01):
Testing for environmental chemicals. This one’s more straight forward.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:03):
Yeah. So it’s actually very similar to how you do the mycotoxin test.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:06):
It’s literally the same.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:07):
The same exact thing.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:07):
You just pay a different money and check a different box.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:09):
Yeah. GPL-TOX by Great Plains Labs. Same exact thing. Seven days of glutathione provocation. Pee in a cup the eighth morning. And there you go. That’s your test.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:20):
The big downside of the GPL-TOX and really all of this environmental chemical testing, is that we don’t have markers for most of the toxins in our environment. I think on this GTL-TOX, if I quote there’s like 18 toxins that they test for on this. There are way more than 18 toxins in our bodies and lives.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (19:34):
They’re the common ones, right? The NTBE and styrene and acrylamide and all those little fancy ones. But let’s say, if you were to take your shampoo and go on EWG or somewhere that measured all those ingredients, there’s probably 80 ingredients in there. And most of them are toxic and not a single one of them are listed on there. But if you actually Google those ingredients and toxin separately, you can see what causes reproductive issues, what causes cancer.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (19:58):
Cancer, yeah.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:00):
And things like that.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:00):
As Aubree mentioned, ewg.org has an app called Think Dirty that you can look up and they don’t have every product in there, but they’ve got a lot of the common products that gives you a grade on how safe your products are. But I’ll save you the trouble. Once you say, if you got it at a local grocery store, it’s probably toxic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:15):
It’s toxic. Good luck.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:18):
Even if you got it at a Whole Foods, it’s probably still toxic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:20):
It is, I’ve debunked it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:20):
So yeah. So go to our course, learn more about detoxification and which brands and stuff. We don’t have time to talk about that now. And then last but not least is heavy metals, one of my favorite ones to talk about.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:31):
Yes! Can I say one thing real quick?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:32):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:33):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:33):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:34):
If you’re doing a hair heavy metal test, it is totally trash.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:38):
It is.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:39):
I’m just going to be honest with you. It’s totally trash. Please don’t waste your money on it.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:42):
In defensive of providers that are still doing hair metal.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (20:45):
Yes, we still love you.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (20:46):
We still love you. And we appreciate you trying do heavy metals, the reason why hair metal analysis even exists is because that’s the only way we use to be able to test for metals. Nowadays, we do urine metal testing. That’s the only way to do metal testing. And it must be provoked. If you have a metal test that wasn’t actively provoked with a chelating agent, it is literally useless, unless it’s high. If it’s high, you have unprovoked high sample. You definitely have a problem. But the sample must always be provoked. So we talked about provoking GPL, the environmental chemicals and the mold toxins. With metals, you have to do a totally different provocation, that’s with chelation. So I’ve got a heavy metal course, chelation course on the website. You can go and take the whole course. I’ll walk you through what all we do and everything.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (21:33):
There’s a lot.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (21:33):
But to put it simply, we do an infusion based chelation provocation. There are pill versions. They’re not as good as the infusion version, but if that’s the only thing you have available, that’s better than nothing. That’s the only thing I used to do was oral until we started doing IV and found that’s way more powerful. But the way we do it is we do an IV infusion of chelating agents. Now, I always tell people chelating agents are drugs, they are chemicals. They are manmade products. They are not natural at all. So these chelating agents, we do EDTA and DMPS as well as Myers Cocktail and glutathione. We give that infusion to patients and we collect their urine for six hours to see what comes out after we give them those products.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (22:09):
And we always do a before sample and an after sample. And it’s clear as day, how much of those chemicals and vitamins get out of your body as you can see between the before and after. And I think I’ve got pictures posted on our social media, as far as what chelation looks like and how you can get these metals out of you. But metals are terrible for the body because they interfere with your own natural biochemistry. People often ask me, “Well, what is mercury causing for me?” Well, the problem with metals is that metals interfere with your own natural things that you collect ions or metals for. So say you have a process that needs magnesium. Well, if you replace magnesium with mercury, now that process can’t work.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (22:49):
So what I encourage you to do is look through, what does iron do? What does magnesium do? What does selenium, zinc and molybdenum? All of those processes that are beneficial metals, if you insert a heavy metal instead, then you can just flip that to a negative and say, “Oh, zinc is good for the immune system. Well, mercury replacing zinc is bad for the immune system, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.” So metals are one of the most vague symptoms of, you can’t just have, “Oh, I have a joint pain. So I have mercury.” It’s not that straightforward.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (23:16):
So there is no direct symptom that says, “Hey, I’ve had this. So I have this specific metal.” It’s very vague. The most predictive thing we can use to guess whether you have metal overload or not, is just your exposure. That’s the only thing we can go off out. If you’ve been shooting in a gun range all of your life, if you’ve been a dental assistant, drilling out mercury all your life, you probably have it. If you’ve been eating canned tuna all your life, you probably have mercury.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:38):
Yeah. And then the one thing is that the FDA does not test for heavy metals. It’s the one thing that they actually don’t have to test for.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (23:45):
In food and products.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (23:45):
Yeah. Sorry in food and products. Yeah. So you could be having a protein powder that’s commonly kind of exposed to lead or mercury or anything else in the soil. Because if you think about it, those heavy metals, they travel, they travel in rainwater. They travel downstream, they travel in soil and you’re getting whatever food was grown in there, you’re getting it. And there’s different toxic areas in the United States. Yes, not everywhere. It’s grown like Flint, Michigan. We keep saying Flint, but we love you. But the second you say that you were born in Houston, we go, “Okay, there you go.”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:11):
You’re toxic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:12):
“The Valley, there you go.” So you were in Portland.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:15):
Sorry Texas.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:16):
The pipes are all led. The water is phenomenal, but everyone knows the pipes are all led. So you’re in Portland, you’re most likely led toxic. Just little things like that.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:24):
Don’t trust the water.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:25):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:25):
All right, we’re going to wrap that up here. This was testing on how to test for toxins and metals. And stay tuned for our next video on how to, I think, supplements.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:34):
Yeah, supplements and food.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:36):
To detoxify. Or food.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:36):
Food and supplements.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:37):
All right. See you, guys.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (24:38):
Bye, guys.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (24:38):

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(Part 1 of 4)

We decided to sit down and have a chat with our practice owner and MD, Dr. Philip Oubre, and functional nutritionist, Aubree Steen.

We’re diving into another 4 part series. We’re diving into part 1 here, following with:

1. What your toxin bucket is and how it effects your daily life (this video)
2. How to test for toxins in the body
3. Foods that assist in detoxification
4. Supplementation/lifestyle/nutrition support for adrenals

Feel free to watch the video, or read our transcript below.


Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:51):
Hey, everybody. This is Dr. Oubre and Aubree.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (00:56):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (00:57):
We’re going to be talking this month about toxins and how they affect our bodies and how we can change them. In today’s video, we’re mainly going to be talking about our toxin bucket and how that toxic bucket affects our daily lives. Aubree, we talk about toxin buckets all the time in the practice but explain to people what we mean when we talk about toxin buckets.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:17):
Yeah. I like to think of … that we all have this metaphorical bucket. Essentially, it’s what we put in that bucket determines who we are in a very vague sense. But let’s say if you have a bucket and your day-to-day life, let’s say if you eat non-organic foods, you’re starting to add that to toxin bucket. If you smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol daily, you’re adding to that toxin bucket. If you live near an industrialized plant or if you live in a … not live in a chemical plant but live near one-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:45):
[inaudible 00:01:45][crosstalk 00:01:45]

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:45):
-or work near one, you add these toxins to this metaphorical bucket. And the reason why we talk about a bucket is because a bucket can be empty, which, let’s be honest, we’re never going to be empty.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (01:56):
It’s pretty hard in an industrialized world to be empty.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (01:57):
Right. You can be either depleted or full or overflowing. What we talk about is we tell people about symptoms and how they relate to this toxin bucket and where they’re at. We look at different toxins in the practice, of course, which could be biological, which are pathogens like bacteria yeast, fungus mold; anything in that realm. We talk about environmental toxins, so your beauty care, your skin care, the glyphosate in Roundup you’re spraying in your yard, your hairspray, the candles in your house. That’s another toxin. Heavy metals and then mold toxins, themselves. And there’s a bunch of different toxins out there but when we try to tell patients why they’re feeling the way that they are, we try to break it down into that toxin bucket. We go, “Where are you? Are you contributing to your toxin bucket overflowing? Or are you helping it deplete a little bit?”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (02:44):
I think too often in the functional medicine world and in online and marketing and all that, there’s tons of stuff that says, “Detox this. Detox that. Detox this.” One of the first things our patients are often surprised when they come to see us is we don’t really focus heavily on detoxification. The first thing we focus on is to stop the retoxification. Because you can take all the supplements in this world but if you’re drinking Roundup every day and drinking alcohol and smoking cigarettes, you’re retoxing faster than your body can ever detoxify.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:12):
Simply by getting toxins out of your life and reducing the toxic burden that you’re adding to your daily bucket is a more powerful detox than taking 10 days of supplements that are supposed to detoxify your body because the amount of toxins we can accumulate over a lifetime is a big deal and it takes months to years to get rid of. We can’t ever say all of those toxins because we always carry some of them around, as Aubree just said. And I wanted to add to that, too, is that … where she was talking about the drinking alcohol and cigarettes and everything else, but we like to tell our patients that your toxin bucket is everything you’ve been exposed to in your lifetime.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (03:50):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (03:50):
And potentially, what your parents and grandparents have been exposed to because they’ve proven that mothers detoxify into their babies. That’s kind of scary to say it that way, but it is true. You’re born of your mom and you’re part of her for nine months, so you’re sharing her toxic burden. And we’ve seen it before where … We actually just had a case this week where the mother had terrible heavy metals and so we tested her child, 20 year-old male adult, and he had heavy metals.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:18):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:18):
And as a 20 year-old, you should not have too many heavy metals. You just haven’t had enough time on this planet to have too many heavy metals. So, we’re wondering if she gave him some of her metals during both and breastfeeding and all that but also accumulated some during his lifetime.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (04:34):
It’s important to think of your toxin bucket as your lifetime exposure. No matter if you’re a hippie eating grass every day right now that’s totally organic, if you’ve lived a terrible toxic lifestyle in the past you will have to catch up and ultimately get rid of all that.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (04:49):
And our body is really smart. I think everyone forgets that. Our body knows which ones are fat soluble, which ones are water soluble, which ones can be stored in the brain, in your kidneys, your liver, your skin; you name it. And our body is very protective. It knows how to store the toxins without flooding them in our system.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:06):
If you think about … If we tried … We get these patients who come in here and they’re like, “We’re ready to detox.” It’s the last thing that we do.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:12):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:12):
Because your body, again, with it being so smart, has them in stores. And it’s going, “We can’t let these all out.” If you think about all the toxins that you’ve accumulated and your body just purging them out, you could get sick. Obviously, if you purge everything you could potentially die, right?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:27):
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Aubree Steen, FNTP (05:27):
But it’s a very intricate process.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:30):
Yeah. One of my favorite metaphors is use the closet metaphor of if you’re like me and have been in your home for several years, you start tucking things away in weird drawers and closets that you really don’t go in that often or the kid’s closets where they don’t really use it right now. And so, you start tucking junk away and it’s not until you go to move that you realize how much junk you have and how much you need to de-junk.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (05:53):
The idea of detoxification is if you have a functioning house, then it’s okay to do some spring cleaning, go in the closets and clean it out, meaning if your gut is intact, if your nutrition is on point, if your liver is functioning. If all parts are moving, then you can start the detoxification process. But if you take that metaphor of having your closets overloaded and you take the idea of a hoarder, a hoarder has so much stuff in their house that their kitchen’s not functional, their bathroom’s not functional and there’s junk and trash everywhere. If you go into a hoarders house, is the first place you’re going to start cleaning the closets? No.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (06:28):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (06:28):
The first thing you’re going to do is you’re going to make the house functional. You’ve got the clean up the kitchen. You’ve got to make sure they have some food to eat, that you’ve gotten rid of the mold and whatever else toxic stuff is making that home dysfunctional before you start cleaning out some storage of toxins. So yes, one of the things we frequently have patients come in with is saying, “Oh, I’m mercury overloaded. That’s my problem.” Or, “I’ve got these toxins that someone did a test and proved that I have this and that’s why I feel the way you feel.” That very well may be true, but you can’t access that stuff adequately. You won’t get it out very efficiently until the house is functional.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:03):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:04):
We always take the emphasis off of that toxin, whatever it may be, and put it back on the gut and say, “Well, first step is you got to clean the gut out before you go anywhere else.”

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:12):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:12):
Because in the realm of retoxing, we talk about clean air, clean food, clean water and clean products. Aubree mentioned those, but those are the big categories. Clean air, clean food, clean water, clean products. Those are fairly easy to spend money on and clean those things up, but what you can’t necessarily stop is you can’t just spend money to magically fix your gut.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (07:34):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (07:34):
And there are bacteria and fungus in your bowels that make biological toxins. We focus on Roundup and all these terrible chemicals in our environment, but there are alive, living, growing organisms in your bowels that every time you feed them, even if you feed them good food, they will make biological toxins out of them. So yes, clean up your environment but until you clean up all of the retoxification that’s happening with the bacteria and fungus, there’s no point in starting a detox program.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:02):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:02):
That’s the number one reason why people fail, in my opinion.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:04):
They do. I think, especially where I could go on and on about nutrition in this, which we will later.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:11):
We know.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:11):
Yeah. But you think about people who come in and they’re like, “I’m ready for a juice cleanse.” I’m like, “No, you’re not. No, you’re not. You’re feeling better a little bit because you’re getting some fruits and vegetables in there,” I said, but that-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:20):
And you’re not eating many calories.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:21):
Right. But-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:22):
Not feeding the beast.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (08:25):
Yeah. But at the end of the day when you are toxic and you make an initial big jump like that, you’re actually setting yourself up for failure and you’re actually making your body a little bit sicker in the long term. There’s a reason why we go very slow and it’s because the body doesn’t know how to keep up if we go very fast.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (08:44):
Yeah, that’s very true. We could talk for hours on toxins and your toxin bucket, but let’s talk about some of the main things that are contributing to your toxin bucket on an ongoing basis. We talked about clean air, food, water and products. Real quickly, clean food, we just want to remind people. We talk about these things all the time but just in case you don’t know, buy organic when possible. Organic does cost more so if you’re on a budget, of course, look up the dirty dozen list. It’s populated by the EWG.org, a non-biased organization. And basically what that says is those 12 foods that are on the dirty dozen you always want to buy organic. And then if it’s not on that dirty dozen and you’re trying to make every penny count, then buy everything else nonorganic.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:27):
Another way to remember is mostly, if you eat the skin of a fruit or vegetable, you most likely need to buy organic. Take for example an avocado has a really thick skin on it. No one I know eats the skin, so you can buy that nonorganic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:41):
But you look at me.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:41):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:41):
“No one I know …”

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:41):
Because if anyone’s eaten them, it’s been Aubree. Intentionally or unintentionally. And the other thing I want to point out because my mother caught me recently and we were at-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (09:53):
No, what’d you do-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (09:54):
Yes. I’m tattling on my mom right now. I taught her recently that when we went grocery shopping that if you’re going to eat the skin that you buy organic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:02):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:02):
She learned this. I was very proud of her. She did really well. When I was home over the holidays with her, I saw her pealing the apple and not eating the skin of the apple.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:10):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:10):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:10):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:12):
And so I said, “Mother, why are you pealing the apple?” And she goes, “Well, you taught me to buy organic if I eat the skin and I didn’t buy organic so I won’t eat the skin.”

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:20):
She’s so sweet. But it’s the truth. People do that. I’m not going to name names but we’ve even had-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:26):
Mom. I will.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:27):
No, we’ll not.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:28):
I’m calling you out.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:28):
Hi, Alice. We love you.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:31):
It is better to eat a … Before you answer that, it is better to eat a conventional apple than eat a Pop-Tart. We just want to say-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:38):
Yes. Absolutely.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:38):
-buy organic when possible, but fruits and vegetables are always healthier than any processed food, even if it’s not organic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:44):
Yeah. There’s no amount of soaking and cleaning the fruit that you can get to get out the pesticides. They’re embedded in every fiber. They’re embedded in the entire fruit.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:54):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:54):
So, just a heads up on that one.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (10:55):
So, eat the skin, even if it’s not organic.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (10:57):
Yeah. Just eat it. That’s fine. And then another way … Clean 15, dirty dozen. Right?

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:02):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:02):
Clean 15’s the one that you can always do that. Again, any leafy green, any open porous vegetable. You’re thinking broccoli, cruciferous. You’re going to want those to be organic. Think-

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:10):
When possible.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:11):
Yeah. Organic when possible. When you think of things that grow in the air, too, like bananas, coconuts, things like that, those don’t really have pesticides or herbicides used on them, too.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:20):
The biggest thing, though, is I don’t care what diet you’re doing, if you’re paleo, AIP, Keto. I don’t care. Processed food is toxic. It is. And I really don’t care if it’s the raw, organic sprouted one. That’s the best you can get, obviously. But any time you’re denaturing a food and you’re packaging it, it’s not good for your body.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:41):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:42):
It is what it is. Any time you change the molecular structure, you’re affecting the way that it is, you affect how you digest it and how you absorb it and you break it down.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:49):
Eating a whole almond is not the same as eating a powdered almond called almond flour.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:54):
Right. Yeah. Exactly.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (11:56):
And then you also … In that flouring process or the processing process … Processing process?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (11:59):
Processing process.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:01):
That makes total sense. You don’t know what they’ve extracted.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:04):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:05):
They might have almond flour but they might have taken the pectines or they might have taken some of the fiber out in order to make it more powdery. So, anytime you have a processed food you’re looking at the ingredients like, “Almond flour? Oh, that sounds healthy.” Well, if you take the unhealthy stuff … or if you take the healthy stuff out and leave some of the unhealthy stuff … Basically, if you just refine it down to a sugar, then almond is technically unhealthy because you took the fiber and fat out.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:25):
We’ve talked for hours on food, so of course, eat fruits and vegetables.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:30):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:30):
Organic when possible. Number two is clean air. I think too often people go to say, “Oh, I’ve got to buy an expensive air filter,” and all that. I’d like you to keep it a lot simpler than that. If you make sure your home is at least reduced of toxic substances as much as possible, then your air should be clean enough. Toxic substances, Aubree already mentioned candles. The modern candles now have phthalates and all kinds of stuff. If it smells great, it’s probably not that healthy for you. There are …

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:57):
There are.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (12:58):
… good candles. Suggestions?

Aubree Steen, FNTP (12:58):
There’s a trend. One of my favorite bands is phlur. P-H-L-U-R. They actually make not … You can find them on Credo Beauty but they don’t sell the candles on Credo Beauty. But they sell nontoxic candles. There’s a whole different list of candles and I can always find it and add it to this and put it in the YouTube comments if you like.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:17):
But the Glade plug-ins, no go.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:19):
No, no, no.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:20):
Defuse essential oils.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:22):
Right. Meyers is not okay. It is a toxic brand. That’s where we’re going to talk about green washing as well. Green washing is a marketing term where they make you think that you are having a nontoxic component but you really are actually smelling and inhaling and ingesting these chemicals. Yeah, I’ll put a little list on there.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:38):
K. And our favorite air filter is the Air Doctor.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:44):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:44):
We don’t have any money tied to these products.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:45):
No. We should.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:47):
We’re here. No. Number three … We said clean air, clean food, clean water.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:50):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:51):
Got to have filtered water. The fridge does not count as a filter. That’s just fancy tap water.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (13:56):
Cold tap water.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (13:57):
Cold tap water. Yeah. All you people using the fridge, upgrade your water filter. Such a small expense for such a large outcome. Do not trust your city water. Do not trust your municipal water.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:10):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:10):
Just because Flint, Michigan had all the lead in it doesn’t mean it stopped in Flint. It’s all over.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:15):
The biggest exposure we see to patients is water.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:18):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:18):
Without a doubt. Because you have chemical plants, you have dumping, you have … Anything you can think of goes into the soil goes into our water. Hormones. Any type of even pharmaceuticals.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:29):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:29):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:30):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:30):
It’s all in our water and you are drinking it. And yeah, you’re not dying the second you drink it but they haven’t done long-term studies.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:36):
Slowly dying.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:37):
Yeah, you’re slowly … to be honest, slowly dying if you drink tap water because they haven’t done the studies on three decades of what you’re drinking at this very moment. They don’t have that.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (14:46):
Get a Berkey filter. Get a Brita. Get anything that’s charcoal-based. Filter your water somehow. Our favorite is do a reverse osmosis on the sink, possibly a water softener on the whole home. But we could talk for hours on that.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (14:59):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:00):
And then number four …

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:00):
Yeah. Make a little step.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:02):

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:02):
Go from tap to Brita and then don’t use Brita anymore and use Berkey.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:06):
And don’t trust bottled water. Bottled water is cleaner than tap water, but you don’t know that they didn’t just run the tap in Michigan and then bottle it and say it’s clean. Just don’t trust bottled water companies, either.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:19):
And number four is clean products. We just want to remind you, whatever you put on your skin, it can be absorbed. It doesn’t matter if it’s a shampoo, a makeup, a lipstick, a fingernail polish. Anything you put on your skin as far as products go … You get to choose. You want to spend money on supplements to detoxify that? Or do you want to spend a little bit money on cleaner products so that, A, it never enters your body and then you don’t have to pay on the backend to get it out of your body.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:44):
Right. Clean beauty I’m a little obsessed with. If you’re a patient, I can give any resource. Just email me. If you’re not a patient you can still go to Credo Beauty.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:52):
And we’re putting together our courses so you can go online to our courses.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (15:56):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (15:56):
We’ve got a whole toxin and detoxification course where we have all those resources listed there as well.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:04):
Yeah. Yeah, because I could ramble on.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:04):
We all could ramble on.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:05):
I know. Okay.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:05):
Okay. We’re trying to make this video more concise. That’s it for our toxin bucket and how-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:11):
And what it is.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:11):
-it affects you on a daily basis, although we really didn’t talk about symptoms. I guess we’ll close with any toxin can cause any symptom in any human being. We’re all bio individuals and it’s not just … You usually don’t just have one toxin. That’s why we talk about it as a toxin bucket. It’s a little bit of mold, little bit of chemicals, little bit of metals, little bit of biological toxins. Which ones are affecting you and how do they affect you? It doesn’t matter whether it’s insomnia, brain fog, fatigue, rashes-

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:36):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (16:37):
Whatever it may be. Anxiety. Your toxin bucket could be affecting you.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (16:41):
And I do want to preface one thing. Let’s say if you make one change and you go, “I changed my water,” or, “I changed my beauty products,” and you don’t feel better, you have to think of the entire toxin bucket that you are. If you get rid of a little bit of clean beauty or you add clean beauty and get rid of dirty water, you still have this much you have to take care of. I love your metaphor of if you’re sitting on 10 tacks and remove two, does it feel like you removed two? No, it doesn’t.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:04):
No, you’re still sitting on eight.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:06):
It looks like you’re sitting on … Yeah, it’s sitting on eight tacks. Just know that these little things are helping you and you’re reducing your burden and over time you will feel better, absolutely.

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:14):
All right, guys.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:15):

Dr. Philip Oubre, MD (17:16):
Check out our YouTube, subscribe, hit the little bell so that you get notifications of our videos, and of course go online and buy our courses or anything to learn more about toxins and detoxification. We’ll see you in our next video.

Aubree Steen, FNTP (17:26):
Bye, guys.

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